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You pull into an isolated BLM campground where there are no hosts, no hookups, no reservations. You’ve got the whole place to yourself, so you choose the most scenic of the16 sites and settle in. A few hours later, another RV enters the campground -- and parks right next to you. All the other 14 sites are vacant, many nestled behind trees. The newcomer could have preserved your privacy and had his own by parking anywhere else. Instead, he decides to snuggle up beside you.Would you be irritated?
My wife and I faced this situation several days ago at the Hickison Petroglyph Campground off Route 50 in central Nevada. That the unwanted neighbors had the same fifth-wheel brand as us was purely coincidental. The couple said they had parked beside us because the view there was better than at the other sites. They must have felt a bit sheepish by offering an explanation, but they neither apologized nor asked if we minded.
We did mind, although we didn’t tell them that. For several minutes my wife and I fumed about the couple’s invasion. Had the situation been reversed, we would not have parked next to them, we agreed. We would instead have honored their privacy by settling for a lesser view in a more distant site. For the record, my wife and I are sociable. We like people and enjoy chatting with other RVers in common boondocking spots. But we also cherish our elbow room, especially when’s there’s plenty of space for everybody.
What do you think? Was it inconsiderate of the couple to park next to us in an otherwise empty campground, or were we being unreasonably covetous? What would you have done?

45 Comments:
On of the cardinal rules of boondocking is - if a rig is off by itself; it is likely the person(s) inside wants privacy and solitude. An RV arriving near them should try to give them as much room as possible. Many people, particularly those from the city who are used to crowded campgrounds, or those new to boondocking; don't seem to understand this basic rule of courtesy.
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Anonymous, at September 24, 2007 9:51 AM
Since the rules are that you may take any space, you don't have the right (nor should you have the expectation) that, since you got there first, the next ones in must give up their choice of the best site remaining.
If you really cherished your privacy and elbow room, perhaps you should have moved...
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Anonymous, at September 24, 2007 12:53 PM
I say "get over it" we are all down there for the same reason, that is to escape the winter. You may be glad for neighbours sometime, in an emergency or if you just want someone different to talk to. The fact that they explained why they parked there should tell you that they had looked at other spots so as to keep some distance between you.
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Anonymous, at September 27, 2007 11:18 AM
If it is privacy that we are looking for, than we do not park where we know others will want to park.
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Anonymous, at September 28, 2007 6:49 PM
I think the next people could pick their best spot, not for your convenience, but for theirs. If you have the best spot, you are already better off than them, why should you deny them the next best spot?
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Elaine, at September 29, 2007 9:03 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with #1's comment, and totally disagree with #2. That's what his attitude is - #2. I had the same experience at El Poblano (??) campground south of San Quintin, Baja California. Way off by myself at one end of a large, empty campground on the beach and a caravan of 4 large motorhomes came in and formed a circle in front of and beside me, fired up their generators and started their party. Deeply offended, I moved...but stopped beside them and told them "thanks a lot for spoiling my evening." They gave me the finger. Real fine folks, those ! ! ! Larry Bourne.
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Larry, at September 29, 2007 9:40 AM
I think it's somewhat of a grey area in this particular case, because it was a regular campground with designated sites, even if they didn't charge for them. However, the other people should have left at least one or two sites between themselves and you, especially if the campsite was completely empty except for you and them. Their behavior would go unnoticed and be acceptable in a 50-dollar-a-night, pack'em-in-5-feet-apart RV park. This may have been what they were used to, and they didn't know any better. But way out in the middle of nowhere, a little courtesy would be appreciated. Some people just don't appreciate the concept of giving other people some personal space, or at least have lower limits.
As well, the people may have thought they could crowd you off, so they could have the whole place to themselves.
In a truly remote setting, on a primitive, undesignated site with nobody else around for miles; it isn't a grey area. In such a case, it would be extremely rude to park right next to somebody camped by themselves. (At least, if there were any reasonable alternatives.) A person doing so, might justifiably be met with considerable resentment.
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Anonymous, at October 2, 2007 3:06 PM
I feel that to many people forget what camping is all about. In two days I am going to retire and join all the full time campers out there. I love the outdoors. Just outside my camper door is my great big living room. I enjoy people and the beuty of the earth. I would be flaterd if someone liked my spot so well that they would move in next to me even though there was room elswhre. I hope I don't run into a lot of people with the atatude of #1
Wayne
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Wayne, at October 4, 2007 9:49 AM
I think you are being somewhat unreasonable. You have a site not a number of sites. Other people have the right to choose whichever vacant site they wish and like. To even suggest otherwise is a bit ignorant in my opinion
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 10:43 AM
While I understand the "fairness" issue - how can a person who wants privacy and solitude get satisfaction - post a space occupied notice on spots around his/her spot in an empty campground? Truly why should those who enjoy company "force" themselves on those who do not?
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Kitty, at October 4, 2007 11:52 AM
The whole problem could have been avoided or at least limited by a simple courteous act. If you see someone camped by themselves and especially in a situation similar to this, why not simply take a moment and ask if they mind you camping next door. Wouldn't that be a simple, easy and courteous way to handle the situation.
We plan to go full time traveling within the next two years at most and would hope we would think enough of others to take the time to ask - it may be that they want privacy, or they may enjoy having someone else nearby to talk to. Give them a chance, Ask.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 12:36 PM
Being out in the middle of nowhere the reason the second rig parked so close to you could have been a desire for the feeling of safety.
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Charlie, at October 4, 2007 12:52 PM
I guess I would get ticked off if the other rig was emanating loud TV/stereo or ill behaved kids or animal noises. The campers don't look all that close to me in the picture.... I'd have to agree with the person who said Just get over it.
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Judie, at October 4, 2007 1:35 PM
My opinion is that life is too short to let it bother me.
With the eyes of kindness I might wonder if maybe they were first time boondockers and scared to be alone? But if it is that they just didn't have a clue as to what the proper ettiquette is, why should I make myself miserable about it?
In the long run we are all just trying to get a piece of happiness. If it makes them happier to park next to me, I'll consider it my gift to the universe and others that make me happy.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 1:53 PM
I agree with you on the privacy issue and at the least would have camped a space away, but I have seen people who are not used to the great empty outdoors and actually would feel very uncomfortable without neighbors. I have taken a 4wd veh. into the vast untraveled desert and had people show up and camp nearby! I love my solitude and my privacy but the young couple that stopped mentioned how afraid they were to camp alone for the 1st time and asked if I minded and of course I could not disagree. They departed the next day and even left a note taped to a beer, thanking me and apologizing for their rudeness. Different scenario and they weren't exactly right next to me but they were polite and did not bother my collecting of Crystals.
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desertratdan, at October 4, 2007 3:10 PM
If you walked into a movie theatre and there was only one couple sitting halfway down, mid row, would you sit in front of them, behind them or right next to them?
If you moved one or two rows (or spots) to the left or right, you would still have a nice view and afford each other privacy. In a campground, it becomes obvious pretty quickly if your neighbor wants to be sociable, or left alone. A bit of moderation, eh?
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Jane, at October 4, 2007 3:42 PM
Everyone wants the biggest, best and the most. Isn't that why your retired. No more politics & games.
People life is short. Part of RVing is meeting new people and seeing new places. Cosider yourself blessed that you have the opportunity to do what your doing.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 5:33 PM
You could always have put your truck in the next space if you didn't want people next to you. You weren't looking at their sewer hose right outside of your door, so what are you complaining about? They wanted a good view, took the best AVAILABLE campsite - seems reasonable to me.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 5:36 PM
I have had the same situation happen to me in a deserted campground and thought it was very rude of the RV park next to mine. I RV because I love the outdoors and appreciate my privacy to enjoy nature at it's finest when available. I agree with Comment #1 totally.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 7:14 PM
I usually park away by myself when I can because I'm the guy that has the barking dogs and crying baby. You know, there is one in every crowed and it's always turning out to be me. So come on over and crowd me if you want just expect what comes along with crowds. I really do try to be a quite neigbor it just does not always work out that way.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 7:18 PM
I've got to admit that I have been guilty of being the "other RVer". I went down to my favorite campsite, right on the river and there was someone already there. While all the other sites were empty, the spot next to them was the "second best spot" so I took it, as it allowed me to moor my boat next to the campsite. I could tell they weren't thrilled. In retrospect, I can appreciate their attitude and dont do it anymore.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 7:50 PM
If I were planning to use my generator, I would try to be as isolated from others at a no-utility furnished camp as I were able, even if that meant not such an enjoyable view. Doubly so, if I were with a convoy. One space away would have been a minimum, given the described circumstances.
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mogul264, at October 4, 2007 8:37 PM
I'm surprised no one thought that maybe those folks may have been looking for security.I have found in my travels through many hours of conversation with people of all ages there is always a slight feeling of insecurity when visiting an empty campground away from the beaten path, that you have never visited before. I have also found that an extended hand, a kind word and a smile pays very large dividends.....David M..Gridley Ca.
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Anonymous, at October 4, 2007 10:56 PM
You are in a Campground ... get over it.... if you had parked in a non-campground area Yeah you would have the right to be upset... but they were in their slot and you were in yours.
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 5:23 AM
Hmmm. You had the whole place to yourself when you got there and you were seeking privacy. So you chose the most desirable location in the park and expected nobody else to want to do the same? Sounds a bit unreasonable to me. Despite any unwritten boondocking rules you don't own the park or the view. If you were seeking privacy you should have parked in one of the more secluded, if not less desirably spots and given up the great view to those seeking it. Sounds like you let this ruin an otherwise great time.
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 7:06 AM
I have too many more important things in my life to worry about. I would be thankful there was a place to park.
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Terry Duffy, at October 5, 2007 7:44 AM
My opinion is that if the writer wanted privacy, then they should have picked the site nestled in the trees. The post from Larry is also noteworthy in that it matter a dreat deal whether they are good neighbors or bad ones.
BTW if you are the Larry that used to be a SCUBA instructor, email me @ jimsmail@earthlink.net .
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Jim, at October 5, 2007 9:31 AM
Sounds to me like you don't have a lot to gripe about. Just get over it, or just leave yourself.......
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 12:09 PM
The comment above mine is the best. All the others just show how diverse people are. Some differenta are good, others like the negative ones here aren't. If we all had an attitude like the comment above mine does, it would be a better world.
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duane, at October 5, 2007 1:17 PM
Imagine my surprise listening to you complaining with a great site and great scenery and alls you can see is the negative in someone else trying to enjoy this also. My guess is you would have found something else to complain about if this scenario did not present itself. My advice enjoy camping like it was meant to be enjoyed and RELAX
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 2:31 PM
I can see both points of view. People should try to leave a space or two if they can, but if two spots have a unique view, are the only ones directly on water, etc, then we have to expect company. If privacy is most important, then don't take the best spot. Or to be really sneaky, put a chair or things out to mark the spot next to you like it's taken by someone else.
The level of irritation depends on their behavior. Quiet or loud. I have a young child so I put a bright chair or toy out in my space to let people know a kid is around and to either accept it or pick a spot further away.
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 4:13 PM
The ORIGINAL BLOGGER, asks a few questions in his post.
“Would you be irritated?
“What do you think”? “Was it inconsiderate of the couple to park next to us in an otherwise empty campground, or were we being unreasonably covetous”?
What would you have done?
My personal response is: It would not be a problem for me, BECAUSE, It wouldn’t have happened. Not anymore.
In reading the above posts, it is very obvious that the majority of the posters do not boondock much, or at all, and if they do, they are nervous about it and it is reflected in their posts. Others haven’t done it yet, and suggest that the behavior is either tolerable or acceptable.
OBSERVATION;
Most of the time, these incidents occur when Park People are traveling between havens and need an overnight spot that they don't have to pay for out of the Park budget. They usually occur near State Routes and Interstate Highways. Sometimes, boondockers have to travel the same routes and experience these negative conditions.
The majority of boondockers are parked away from the crowd because they like being remote for a lot of reasons. They like the quiet and have solar power and no generators or minimal generator usage to insure it. They don't like a lot of people immediately adjacent so that they feel they are living in a tenement building or gated community. They are there for the isolation and possible wildlife experiences and you don't get them in a CROWD. Most of the time, you get the RVers with the herding instinct, circling the wagons at various overnight spots.
IT ALMOST ALWAYS HAPPENS.
I am parked at the edge of a ten acre field off of an Interstate that I have found, inquired about and gotten approval to park overnight. Within an hour, somebody else in an RV will invariably pull up and park 30' away from me and plan on staying too. Even in public lots like Wal-Mart I will endeavor to find a nice quiet spot, succeed and then have some unthinking person pull up within 20' of me and start their generator and run it all evening.
I arrive at the local fairground and find a nice quiet place off of the beaten path to park at the edge of six acre parking area and 45 minutes later some RVer pulls in and heads over and parks behind me 40’ away. He unhooks his car and takes off into town for dinner. His two barking dogs serenade me during my supper. He comes back, starts his generator until midnight.
IRRITATED? You’d better believe it. He had lots of other places to park and NOT necessary to expose us to his uncouth behavior. Was he within his “rights” to park next to me and abuse me? I suppose he was, BUT, was he “RIGHT”.
Of course not.
I used to share some of my good boondocking sites with various groups until it became obvious that those who were taking advantage of the information did not understand "consideration" for other boondockers.
RVers who NEED to be next to another RVer like they are in RV parks, should not be out boondocking and should stay in nice safe gated communities like KOA or C2C, or similar. Don't get me wrong, most boondockers are very gregarious and helpful people and usually like to converse at length about most any subject BUT, they like their space when the chit-chat ends.
Most people who encroach on my space due it unintentionally and due to being un-informed (I hope) to common courteous practices. Hopefully they will become educated and cease crowding people in other RV’s. We have talked to various people who have invaded our territory many different times. Similar statements are repeated. Reasons such as:
We wanted to be close to someone as we are not sure of what to expect out here.
We wanted to park next to someone so that the druggies wouldn’t steal all of our belongings.
We were afraid someone might break in and we wanted to be close to us so you would hear our screams, if we needed help.
We aren’t used to camping where it is soooo dark.
I have forgotten some of the best ones; they’ll come to me AFTER I send this post.
I don’t have a problem with people parking close to me anymore.
I have developed various ploys to discourage uninvited parasites that come and park too close. They tend to be very effective because the interlopers are out of their element. Most of the time they don’t even come to a stop, and just keep moving along and away from us or completely leave the area.
Those of you that like YOUR space will have to come up with your own ruses, as I am not sharing my techniques.
We’ve been out full-timing for almost eight years now and have learned a lot about the lifestyle, both the good and the bad.
One of the first rules is, get a risk management plan in effect, and work it.
Prepare yourself by learning everything you can about the lifestyle.
Prepare mentally and physically for the rigors of boondocking.
Prepare your necessities and equipment for times that you may need them, whether it is a weather incident, a robbery attempt, a traffic accident or a medical emergency.
You never know when you will need to respond and you sure don’t want to depend on me being over there in my RV just 50’ away to survive the event.
Learn to live on your own with your OWN resources and reliance.
You’ll enjoy the lifestyle a LOT more.
Regards to all, may you never see a bad day.
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Jon, at October 5, 2007 5:10 PM
Were you two the only ones camped?
Did the newcomer expect that more campers would arrive and eliminate the privacy issue?
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 6:10 PM
I agree with most; it's a public site and you have to accept the public. Manners are not known or practiced by everyone. I think the thought of having a neighbor is the most understandable; even accptable. Fact remains, it was a Public Place.
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Anonymous, at October 5, 2007 7:08 PM
You could have driven a few miles to the west on Hwy 50 to a place called Spencer Hot Springs, vast open areas to camp, great views everywhere, and several natural hot springs to soak your cares away!
You camp instead at a state campground and some other person camps there, too...SO? Your choice of an official campground caused your contact with other campers, if you camped near me and struck up a conversation I would be glad to tell you of what the area has to offer, including space to camp away from others.
You would find I have a vast knowledge of the geothermal delights of central Nevada and of the native americans who called it home long before we came along.
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millie, at October 5, 2007 9:03 PM
If you wnated privacy maybe you should have taken the site with the worst view.
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Anonymous, at October 8, 2007 4:19 PM
As one Alpenlite owner to another... wow 2 Alpenlites next to each other... good carmen... invite them to your campfire...
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Wally, at October 8, 2007 4:52 PM
if a rig is the only one in a designated campground it is not alone and by itself, it is the only one in a campground period. it is time to evaluate whether you value the view or the solitude. pick one and be happy, because there is no way that you should expect someone else to make the sacrifice of a nice view for a stranger. would you? if you prefer solitude, then pick a spot at the end of the camping area.
roy evans
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Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 6:32 AM
Stop complaining, at least you are there. Wish I could be. Just be thanking God you still can!!
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Anonymous, at October 11, 2007 8:53 AM
...and you wonder why kids today are rude, they must have learned it from their "it's all about ME" parents! It is a public campground that being first come, first choice of site. If someone moves in next door when they have a choose of all the other open sites, it must be they like the view of that site (as you also did!)and possible the interaction with other RV'ers! If you want to be left alone place a big sign in front of your RV saying "stay away, this is my area." Thank goodness most RV'ers aren't like this.
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G William, at October 13, 2007 12:03 PM
I absolutely would NEVER have parked next to another RV with all that room around......I can't even begin to wonder why someone would.....maybe they are the type of people who worry about safetly????
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Anonymous, at October 14, 2007 8:03 AM
Personally I would never have parked anywhere near this couple.......not my style.....I agree with the Blogger.......I think alot of people don't like actual boondockin....I love it.......I understand the need to feel safe.....I would feel safer knowing there was someone else in a deserted campground.....but parking right next to them ....does this raise the safe factor!!!!!.........I live in a city and I thing city people have some weird need to have people around them???.....I would have moved and not gotten worked up about it....
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Ocotillo, at October 14, 2007 8:23 AM
Hello. I have not had the pleasure to Boondock as of yet. But to a certain degree I think that it's okay to want your privacy while enjoying the best spot you can. Now, in all fairness...I can only speak for myself. I enjoy being social with our neighbors when I go camping with my husband to a campsite. Yet I am also considerate and try not to be invasive or overly loud or do anything that would annoy our neighbors. I think that if I were in a similar situation I might be a little disappointed at not having a larger private area but I would not get so upset as to let it ruin my good time. I would be social and say hello to the other party if I were to spot them outside of our RV. And if the campers wanted to talk I would respond. It's ok to be disappointed but I've learned to take things in stride and not sweat the small stuff. Most of all, I am grateful for every wonderful opportunity that comes along, be it a great spot, an enjoyable view or nice people to talk to. So in essence they're aloud to be a little disappointed but try to find the perks in getting a temporary new neighbor.
Angie from PA
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Angie, at October 22, 2007 8:24 AM
These babys, which park so close to feel safe, should stay home. I camp and RV for the solitude. If you want to be socialable, join a club!
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Anonymous, at November 27, 2007 10:35 AM
Talk about wrecking a good campsite! I'm sorry these people had a need to be so clingy. We camp with three German Shepherd dogs which are tied to various places on the rig. When there's plenty of space available we rarely get neighbors :)
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The Ellerbach Pack, at January 16, 2008 1:38 PM
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