RVer concerned about overnight parking bans

RVer concerned about overnight parking bans

letters to the editorBy Deanna Tolliver
We received a letter from California RVer Curt Dowd, who is concerned about finding places to “dry-dock” his RV in an urban area. With his solar-equipped motorhome he can live entirely off the grid. But finding a place to park has become increasingly difficult because of parking bans. Here’s what he wrote:

“My wife and I are thinking of getting rid of our RV because of the overnight parking problems in California.

“I have a Winnebago View and tow a Ford C-Max Energi (which Ford has stupidly canceled but what can you do). I had no idea what I was getting into buying an RV and I’m still learning. At this point, however, I’m pretty knowledgeable and the vehicles do what I had planned for them. However, my plan was always to dry-dock. Why spend [$150,000 for my RV and car] and then another $70 or more per night for an RV park when I’ve modified the electrical in the RV to live/work entirely off of my batteries. 

“I’m writing because my plan for building my business, and traveling with my wife, is fading, as Walmart and others make it impossible to park an RV overnight, at least in California. I believe the underlying cause is the homeless using RVs for living. Almost across the board now, California cities are attacking the use of RVs on the streets, especially overnight. Those of us who want to dry-dock, maybe stay somewhere a week or ten days, or even just overnight, are caught in the crossfire.

“I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS RESISTANCE GROWING IN THE RV COMMUNITY TO THESE BANS ON PARKING? Maybe the full timers aren’t bothered because they live in a park and that’s it. But the rest of us are in trouble. I also personally don’t want to harm the homeless who are merely victims of an economic and political realignment that has left them powerless and marginalized, unable to afford housing. One big problem is that every city or business wants to push the homeless somewhere else. It seems that establishing public RV parks on vacant properties would be simple to create and manage. Miscreants who dumped unlawfully could be fined or worse. There are solutions. But is there a resistance movement, anything political going on to address these issues? If so, I want to join. —Curt Dowd

Readers, what do you think? Should RVers be allowed to park overnight in neighborhoods? Do you care if they park in YOUR neighborhood? What about in store parking lots? Is someone considered homeless if living in an RV is their only option? Do you perceive an issue with the homeless living in RVs in your part of the country? Your thoughts?

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25 thoughts on “RVer concerned about overnight parking bans

  1. Python1946

    Dan, another point I failed to mention. When your parked in my neighborhood for ten days, off the grid as you say, what are you doing with your waste,ie, holding tanks and trash? Those holding tanks on a View are tiny, maybe a few days at most. Dumping your excrement on my street will probably end with you being thrown in the slamemer or you being lynched by the neighbors.

  2. Donald Fredericks

    California has sanctuary status and the homeless can put up a blanket along side the road and call it their home or sleeping in a car. Regardless if it is in running condition or not.. Just follow the miles of so called homeless along the frontage roads of LA as an example. I would assume if you live in a RV you maybe otherwise homeless. Therefore you should be able to park along side a road and claim to be homeless also and receive the same privilege of free parking. You are just the upper-class homeless. Take that to the judge with your ticket. I am sure there will be an attorney around to agree with you.

  3. James Ek

    I have never considered parking in a residential area except to load/unload my RV. I have stopped at rest areas and truck stops but even truck stops are becoming hostile to RVs because they are working and space is limited. So, no more truck stops over night. However, there is dry camping at national parks and “Boondockers Welcome.” It’s the “week or ten days” part that seems odd. Overnight is one thing – an exception caused by momentary need or dangerous fatigue. A week or more is quite another. That seems abusive to me. I do see neighbor’s relatives arrive in their RV and stay a few days in front of their house. But that seems unnecessary. Folks just don’t think about or care about other’s sensibilities. No, I don’t want an RV parked near my house for a week. I feel guilty when I have to park in my drive for a few days to do normal maintenance.

    1. Terry

      He also makes a few assumptions that are not accurate. Full timers do not only live in one park, many travel the country until they cannot/do not desire to.
      Many homeless are victims of their own poor life/financial choices, including how they spend the free tax dollars the rest of us are soaked for.
      Many others chose to be here illegally, we owe them nothing, IMO, regardless of the economy /politics—except arrest and permanent deportation.
      He chooses to accept contracts in unforgiving weather… easy solution: don’t!
      He does not belong in that residential area, there are almost always community rules prohibiting living in a vehicle/Parkin overnight…doesn’t matter if it’s an RV or a hatchback. People choose to live in areas with these restrictions for the betterment of their communities… they cannot live on the street— why should strangers be allowed to? As for relatives, usually required a permit/ok by local police… and vastly they only sleep in the RV, not ‘live in it’.
      Safer? Not a chance… even when you’re packing, still high risk. Organized crime/gangs rule most empty lots /malls … hopefully that will change this year .
      I take your resistance question to mean banding together to assist businesses with parking lots to help RVers be good guests and owners keep it possible to park there… a great concept. Not an entitlement.
      As for ‘homeless’, get a permanent Postal Mail Box (not Post Office Box) such as UPS — it is a private address and for now still ok for a drivers license. Register as a Fulltime traveler. It still allows most voting, like for governor/president, but restricts local voting such as district school boards.
      Consumer cellular now has a ‘home base’ phone service— can use your current home phone #, but it is portable as long as you can plug it in after a few hours. Solved several issues—no business has my private cell #, only ‘home’ #, and they can only leave msg on VM if I do not answer! There is No use of my data, no texts. Just a mobile landline …15$/mo. Attached to your private ‘PMB’ home address. Local exchange = solves your ‘homeless issue’. Been our best friend …

  4. Cheryl

    Safer? I really doubt that. The reason so many of them have closed is because the areas turned into crime havens. Yes, some have closed due to economic reasons or big decreases in population, but that is not the normal. If the area was still safe, smaller businesses and restaurants would move in, in the place of the corporate owned stores.

  5. Robbie

    Had to laugh since he is capable of living off the grid that someone or some business owes him a place to park…..GEESH, sounds entitled and ignorant .

    From what we’ve seen of these entitled ones, I wouldn’t want them to live/camp on our property either.

    We live off the grid 90% of the time and finding a place to live daily is our problem not the fault of anyone, but our choice….we do research!

  6. Python1946

    Dan, you are no better then the homeless. Only difference is that you have an RV instead of a box. Where do you get off that there should be some kind of resistenance movement to force private property owners to give you free camping on their property. If you are that bad off, maybe you should work camp.

  7. Mike

    A lot of the comments are missing the point. I can afford a campground for the night but there may not be one in the area I want to be in or likely it’s full. Why can you park a car on the street overnight but increasingly its illegal to park an RV overnight? Multiple nights is wrong but one night?? And yet that is the way city ordinances are written. When Walmart ends overnighters and the campgrounds are full where are you going to go? I believe the long term trend will increasingly be towards B size RVs and increasingly looking less like an RV to allow “stealth” overnight city camping.

  8. Mike Stanley

    Our community has had a street parking ban between the hours of 3:00 am and 5:00 am for over 40 years. It’s not a new phenomenon.

  9. Rhonnie

    I’m finding problems with that as well, and I’m not even in that area. Where I used to live, I had access to public land and plenty of peace and quiet. I was not full time then, and suppose I took it for granted as I believed that’s just how things were.
    After two extensive ministry trips, working with homeless and otherwise disadvantaged in several states, I had a pretty good wake up call. I don’t see nearly there amount of public land back east, and just as much homelessness. With the same old socialogical mentality of sweeping them under the rug. Not only that, there was at least an awareness of nomadic lifestyles a few decades ago, now most people have no idea we exist! (Insert rant here in convincing Social Services and Social Security I am NOT homeless! I just live in my car to travel for work. Yeah, I can’t work right now…).
    I like not having to pay so much for housing. That’s why I got rid of my apartment. I can better use that money elsewhere. Free camping is sometimes difficult to find in many areas, and takes some creativity. But there are just some days a few bucks have to be thrown down for a safe, clean spot. Even then, there is the occasional sheriff knocking on my car window, because somebody thought I was just another “homeless drug user”. Seriously? lol
    I like to advocate for awareness for this lifestyle. But more and more, I’m finding the current thinking against us is turning from a stupid prejudice to a mindless mob mentality.
    And I pray for the safety of all of us.

    Hey, maybe we need to stop thinking of the changes, roll with them, and campaign for some of these empty lots to let us dry camp for a nominal fee? Treat it the same as any park permit. There’s a place in Wisconsin that went from free to $12 for two weeks. That’s still better than everything within 50 miles of that, at $45+/night off-season. And the Walmart there was ok for a bit, but not for a 3-month contract. The rest of the parking weren’t what they said – I’m sorry, but I don’t consider winter camping a 4 star hotel guys. Rofl
    But there seems to be a lot of empty lots…

  10. Jay French

    Rolled thru California 2 years ago, plan was the Wine Country, Redwood Forest, SF & Carmel. Encountered attitudes unlike anywhere else & mostly not friendly.
    Worse is I grew up in Marin County. (Everything has changed)
    Unbelievable numbers of Street Camping (Tents) around bridges & particular stretches. Numerous RV’s parked haphazardly on any available public parking many appearing incapable of movement.
    Worse is the number of Panhandlers who will accost you almost everywhere.
    The Golden State it isn’t & we will never make the mistake of returning to that desolation of good sense.
    But outside of having to deal with the locals & Illegal transplants, the Wine Country was excellent, (bought a few cases) Redwood Forest majestic, excellent restaurants in SF, watched 2 professional ballgames at AT&T ballpark which was great plus the ride along Highway 1 was fantastic.
    Favorite experience was an encounter with 2 Spanish only speakers who were discussing us as potential victims, they were shocked when they discovered I spoke Spanish fluently & informed them I was armed.

    1. Jim

      Mr. French, The idiots in California made it what it is today. They do not want any new power plants, so, they have black outs. As far as your “street campers”, they asked for them. Sanctuary Cities. And they keep Nancy in, give every else’ s money away just not mine.

      1. Mary L Hazel

        Not sure what the relationship is between homeless and “sanctuary” cities?

        1. Terry

          I do… sanctuary = influx of homeless , illegal aliens, criminals, unsavories, drug activities, etc = unsafe environment=less places for true visitors + stronger parking enforcement + reduced business owner generosity

          1. Angelack

            Sanctuary cities, etc. only have to deal with immigrants, who are not necessarily homeless. Immigrants do not equal criminals, unsavories, drug activities. That is a huge flawed assumption that many in this country make. The real problem with homelessness is the skyrocketing cost of housing and severe lack of decent paying jobs, especially where there’s plenty of low cost housing. Everyone wants to make a killing in real estate, but it’s just not sustainable.

      2. Buzzelectric

        Pretty rude. You don’t know me or my state. You have been facebook brain washed. Don’t bother replying as I will not be rereading these comments. These type of insulting bland should be removed
        In fact so should mine.

    2. Monty Arch

      If I stay overnight on a street or parking lot in California, and someone like the police tells me that I can’t be there, I’ll tell them that my rig is a sanctuary RV.

  11. Robert Pulliam

    In his own words, he would like to stay on private property a week to ten days or just a night. His attitude is one of the many reasons we are losing the ability to stop overnight at Walmart or any other private property. He thinks because he invested $150,000 in a RV and toad he should get FREE camping. Is he the only one in the RV community who has invested a large sum of money into the RV life style? I don’t think so, as a matter of fact based on what I see in the campgrounds and resorts around the country he got off very cheap. Of course based on his letter he seems to pattern himself after Ebineezer Scrooge with his cheap skate attitude. I too would love to get free camping, but I learned about 45 years ago this life style isn’t free. He needs to go out into the desert and use his solar and batteries to his hearts content.

    1. Richard Blaszak

      If you can afford 150 k for an RV, you can afford to pay for a campsite.

      1. Merikay MacKenna

        I agree with Richard. With one addition. Business that allow overnight parking should be respected and campers should shop there. No camp should stay more than one night, arriving late in the day and leaving at dawn. It is the long term parkers that are giving the practice a bad name.

  12. Dan

    Lots of strip malls vacated by retailers. May offer resolutions to RV off street parking.

    1. Roy

      Why would a private land owner take on the cost and liability of monitoring, patrolling, policing and maintaining a ‘free’ RV parking area?

      Sports fans at arenas pay for parking AND their tickets. Amusement park goers buy tickets and pay for parking. Buy an RV … expect to pay for parking !! It’s YOUR RV, not someone else’s to pay for.

      Matter of fact, even Disney Resort hotels are starting to charge hotel guests for parking in addition to the room. No one owes us a place to park … and cities/counties/states can’t pay for what they already ‘give away’. How or why would they pay the cost of giving ‘passers by’ more ‘free stuff’ ??

      1. Terry

        That’s a rant, nothing more. Facts: other than pavement wear, good guest RVers will bring $$$ to variety of local businesses—and pay the taxes used toward roads, police, etc; many charge extra taxes, as much as 17%, to soak the “passerby’s” to pay fir their own deficiencies as governing bodies of a region; businesses like Disney began charging a la carte user fees for adddd revenue and to entice frequent users to stay on site/purchase packages / multi-tickets that waive extra fees like parking —for added revenue in their businesses instead of outside local businesses ; All states/counties/cities get portions of our tax dollars regardless of where we claim residency —- They are called PUBLIC roads for that very reason …

        1. Downfall

          The problem is many RV’rs are NOT good guests. Especially the “financially disadvantaged” (near homeless).

          Leave garbage behind, deploy jacks denting the pavement, even some dumping sewage! Then want to sue the landowner if they are robbed while trespassing on the land!

    2. Joe Rivera

      Dan, that is an excellent idea. I’m an avid, daily reader of commercial real estate and the Malls and strip malls are really having a hard time making money these days. The owners of the parking lots could even charge a small fee for the day (like $5.00 dollars) since there will not be any connections (electric, water, sewage, etc, etc.) for the day. It would be safer than the ‘boondocks’ and probably walking distance to many stores.

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