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F350
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:50 am Post subject:
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Hello. I am going to full-time soon and I need to ditch my socialist state's tax burden so I want to establish residency in SD. My tags on my one-ton pickup truck will run out in about 6 months. I don't want to renew: it's too expensive! I plan to buy a small RV soon as well.
We know there are several mailing address services such as MyDakotaaddress and whatnot. But has anyone done the legwork themselves to eliminate the middleman, so to speak? I don't trust people. I'd rather get the mail myself. I imagine it'd be cheaper that way if I just open a UPS/MBE store mailbox by myself and lean the paper trail towards that address. Then register my vehicles and everything else to the UPS/MBE mailbox. Is this possible to do by myself or would it be too risky?
Any suggestions?
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elh3946
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Location: Sioux Falls, SD
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:58 am Post subject:
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I assume you're talking about setting up an address using a UPS Store, which isn't any different than using any other mail forwarding service. Sure, you can do all the vehicle registration work yourself (it's not rocket science), but why, when most mail forwarding service (except perhaps a UPS Store) will do it for you for a small fee?
We're domiciled in South Dakota and have had our mail forwarding service, Alternative Resources in Sioux Falls, help us in getting all of our vehicles/RVs registered. I download the forms from the SD website and then call the person at AR who handles vehicle registration, and she walks me through how to fill in all the boxes. I then send the paperwork to her and she walks it down to the vehicle registration office, gets the plates, and sends them to me.
In the 7 years we've been with AR, we've never run into a problem with having them help us with this task.
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tumbleturn
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:05 am Post subject:
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I first went through the UPS store. I had problems with it. It seems some businesses such as DirecTV and possibly the government would not recognize it as a legal address. I ended up changing to a service that had an address that would be recognized. The price for the service was less than what UPS was charging me per month for the smallest box.
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utmtman
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
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Location: On the Road in America
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:
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I used mydakotaaddress and I am very happy with them. She did our plates for both the RV and our car, and it was done in a month's time and we had them on our vehicle for two or three months before we went to SD to get our driver's licenses. While there I did stop by to talk to the people we were working with and see their operation. They answered all our questions with no problems and have taken great care of us. We also know others who use them and people who use other services similar, but in different cities. Have heard of no complaints. I am sure you can do most of it yourself very easily but like someone else mentioned, UPS stores are a pain. Had a neighbor back home who quit the UPS store and they had a heck of a time getting their mail straightened out after. I have heard similar stories from others before we went full-time.
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F350
Joined: 24 Sep 2009
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject:
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| elh3946 wrote: | I assume you're talking about setting up an address using a UPS Store, which isn't any different than using any other mail forwarding service. Sure, you can do all the vehicle registration work yourself (it's not rocket science), but why, when most mail forwarding service (except perhaps a UPS Store) will do it for you for a small fee?
We're domiciled in South Dakota and have had our mail forwarding service, Alternative Resources in Sioux Falls, help us in getting all of our vehicles/RVs registered. I download the forms from the SD website and then call the person at AR who handles vehicle registration, and she walks me through how to fill in all the boxes. I then send the paperwork to her and she walks it down to the vehicle registration office, gets the plates, and sends them to me.
In the 7 years we've been with AR, we've never run into a problem with having them help us with this task. |
Yes, that's correct, I want to do that without a third party.
To save money. I don't know how much they would charge, but the small mailbox at UPS/MBE is about $35 for 3 months. I cannot recall how much the mail forwarding service charges, but most operate the business out of their own homes! That raises a serious concern with me. This is my personal information we're talking about. If I have to do a little more work to be more secure with my personal information, I will do it.
I wonder if using a private mailbox to register vehicle paperwork will raise a flag with SD DMV?
One setback is if you want to rent a private mailbox by yourself, you have to go in and sign some forms and show ID...which means going to SD physically. I can do this while I transfer my driver's license to SD. How about insurance? Do you cancel the old one and open a new policy in SD? I currently have Allstate that has been good for me for a decade. Would a transfer work with the same company in a different location?
I did look up "Alternative Resources." They seem OK. This service looks like they operate out of a home also. Why in Sioux Falls? Most forwarding services are based in eastern SD. I don't want to be in the east river close to the midwest. I want the west river close to the west. I plan to open a mailbox in Rapid City. Most western counties in SD don't charge wheel tax. I plan to register three vehicles, so that's three sets of tires...if they don't include the spare.
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F350
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject:
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| tumbleturn wrote: | I first went through the UPS store. I had problems with it. It seems some businesses such as DirecTV and possibly the government would not recognize it as a legal address. I ended up changing to a service that had an address that would be recognized. The price for the service was less than what UPS was charging me per month for the smallest box.
Mike |
DirecTV won't be a problem...I will never have DirecTV. Were there any other services that refused due to the address? How did they tell it was only a private mailbox? UPS/MBE stores use real addresses, not PO boxes.
Would you mind telling me the comparisons in regard of pricing between the UPS and the forwarding service? |
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Alterego
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:07 am Post subject:
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Here is a list of mail forwarding companies in South Dakota that I am aware of. There's probably many more, but at least this will give you a few to check out. Included SD DMV website at bottom.
South Dakota mail places:
America's Mailbox (Pendleton County has no wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services Daytime and early evening hours please...Mountain Time
Harland, Laura, Phyllis and Karen
Rapid City, SD
605/718-1234 - If calling from a cell phone or pre-paid phone card or
866/747-3700 - If calling from an office or home phone line only please
http://www.americas-mailbox.com/
Alternative Resources (Minnehaha County has a wheel tax)
mail forward/message service/residency services
3700 South Westport Ave.
Sioux Falls, SD 57106
(800) 477-2664
http://www.alternativeresources.net/ paul@alternativeresources.net
Corn Palace City Mail Forwarding (Hanson County has no wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services
200 E 5th - Suite 2 - PMB1000
Mitchell, SD 57301
866-996-3709/E-mail -
info@cornpalacecitymail.com
Fast Forward Services (Pennington County has no wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services
Teddie Vander Vorste, Owner
233 Swanzey Street
Keystone, SD 57751
Phone: 800-314-9344
Fax: 605-666-4269
E-mail: info@fastforwardserv.com
Mail Boxes, Etc.
mail forward
Ask for Jackie
(877) 461-8361 *TOLL FREE
My Dakota Address (Lake County has wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services
Dakota International Services, LLC.
110 E. Center Street
PO Box 137
Madison, SD 57042
Toll Free: 1-866-202-2163
Phone/Fax: 605-427-5863
http://www.mydakotaaddress.com/ Email: info@mydakotaaddress.com
My Home Address, Inc (Hanson County has no wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services (Reports of problems when you terminate service)
411 North 6th St
Emery, SD
888-494-4499 or 605-449-4499
http://www.myhomeaddressinc.com/ E-Mail: ron@myhomeaddressinc.com
Emergency numbers if the above do not work: 1-605-449-4649
Fax number is the same as our primary number: 1-605-449-4499
South Dakota Mail Forwarding, LLC (Brule County has a wheel tax)
mail forward
200 Paul Guest Road Suite #104
Chamberlain, SD 57325
1-877-333-1418
Email: rv@midstatesd.net
Your Best Address (Minnehaha County has a wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services
401 E 8th St, Ste 214
Sioux Falls, SD 57103
Phone or Fax: 1-800-419-1690
Email: yba@midconetwork.com
South Dakota DMV http://www.state.sd.us/drr2/motorvehicle/fee_schedule/fees.htm
South Dakota Wheel Tax http://www.state.sd.us/drr2/motorvehicle/fee_schedule/WHLTAX.pdf |
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elh3946
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
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Location: Sioux Falls, SD
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:47 am Post subject:
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| F350 wrote: | | but most operate the business out of their own homes! That raises a serious concern with me. This is my personal information we're talking about. If I have to do a little more work to be more secure with my personal information, I will do it. |
I know that My Home Address operates out of their home, but Alternative Resources in Sioux Falls does not...they are a business and operate out of a regular place of business.
| Quote: | | I wonder if using a private mailbox to register vehicle paperwork will raise a flag with SD DMV? |
No...a mail forwarding service is a legal address for establishing domicile in the state of South Dakota with some exceptions: 1) If you want to register to vote, you need to spend the night in a motel or RV park and use that address for your voter's registration, and 2) Due to a new law in SD to conform to the Real ID Act, you now have to do the same thing to get your driver's license or renewals; i.e., spend the night in a motel or RV park and use that address, although you can still use your PMB address on the license. Check with whatever mail forwarding service you select and they'll tell you which RV parks will work with you on this.
| Quote: | | One setback is if you want to rent a private mailbox by yourself, you have to go in and sign some forms and show ID...which means going to SD physically. |
I don't know where you got that information, but it's incorrect.
Yes, you do have to sign some paperwork and show ID in order to set up a PMB...that's a federal requirement and is something you'll have to do no matter which mail forwarding service you use and no matter which state. You will have to do this with a UPS Store too, so don't think you can get out of this requirement by using a UPS Store.
However, you DO NOT have to go to South Dakota in order to set up a mail forwarding service. When we started with Alternative Resources back in 2002, we set up the PMB and got our vehicles registered all through the mail. The only thing we had to go to South Dakota for was to get our driver's licenses.
| Quote: | | How about insurance? Do you cancel the old one and open a new policy in SD? I currently have Allstate that has been good for me for a decade. Would a transfer work with the same company in a different location? |
I would make sure you have new insurance in place BEFORE cancelling your old policy.
Since you are going to start fulltiming, you will need fulltimers insurance which has a liability portion like you'd get with homeowners insurance. "Regular" RV insurance doesn't provide this liability portion, so don't even think about skipping this very important insurance. You'll also have to find another insurance company because Allstate, as far as I know, does not offer fulltimers insurance.
| Quote: | | I did look up "Alternative Resources." They seem OK. This service looks like they operate out of a home also. |
As I said above, NO, Alternative Resources, DOES NOT operate out of a house! They have a regular place of business in a commercial section of town.
| Quote: | | Why in Sioux Falls? Most forwarding services are based in eastern SD.I don't want to be in the east river close to the midwest. I want the west river close to the west. I plan to open a mailbox in Rapid City. Most western counties in SD don't charge wheel tax. I plan to register three vehicles, so that's three sets of tires...if they don't include the spare. |
So pick a mail forwarding service in Rapid City...there is at least one there.
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tumbleturn
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:47 am Post subject:
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| F350 wrote: | | tumbleturn wrote: | I first went through the UPS store. I had problems with it. It seems some businesses such as DirecTV and possibly the government would not recognize it as a legal address. I ended up changing to a service that had an address that would be recognized. The price for the service was less than what UPS was charging me per month for the smallest box.
Mike |
DirecTV won't be a problem...I will never have DirecTV. Were there any other services that refused due to the address? How did they tell it was only a private mailbox? UPS/MBE stores use real addresses, not PO boxes.
Would you mind telling me the comparisons in regard of pricing between the UPS and the forwarding service? |
Call up the state of South Dakota and ask them if you can use a box number for a driver's license address and vehicle registration address. Also call your bank, credit card company and anybody else who sends you mail you don't want to lose such as investments and insurance. I started using my folks' address just for drivers license and registration. Within 2 months, almost all the important mail was going to my folks. Now with the service, my folks don't have to hassle with any of my mail anymore.
As for wondering how they know, I guess you need to read the book 1984. Take that plastic card you use to get discounts at your favorite grocery store and ask yourself how that will affect your health insurance rates down the road.
Mike
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I don't believe it would be acceptable on a CCW license either.
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F350
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject:
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| Alterego wrote: | America's Mailbox (Pendleton County has no wheel tax)
mail forward/residency services Daytime and early evening hours please...Mountain Time
Harland, Laura, Phyllis and Karen
Rapid City, SD
605/718-1234 - If calling from a cell phone or pre-paid phone card or
866/747-3700 - If calling from an office or home phone line only please
http://www.americas-mailbox.com/ |
Thanks for all the companies. I've looked all of them up. There are a few companies west of the river compared to oodles east of the river.
This sounds like the best one west of the river. Anyone use this company? If so, tell me how you like/dislike it. Looks like their priority is mail forwarding; they also offer vehicle services although they don't really mention it.
Thanks for the DMV link. I've been crunching numbers on how the registration will cost... |
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F350
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:
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| elh3946 wrote: | | I know that My Home Address operates out of their home, but Alternative Resources in Sioux Falls does not...they are a business and operate out of a regular place of business. |
OK. Alterego mentioned problems when trying to terminate with that company MyHomeAddress...go figure!
| elh3946 wrote: | | No...a mail forwarding service is a legal address for establishing domicile in the state of South Dakota with some exceptions: 1) If you want to register to vote, you need to spend the night in a motel or RV park and use that address for your voter's registration, and 2) Due to a new law in SD to conform to the Real ID Act, you now have to do the same thing to get your driver's license or renewals; i.e., spend the night in a motel or RV park and use that address, although you can still use your PMB address on the license. Check with whatever mail forwarding service you select and they'll tell you which RV parks will work with you |
I was hoping that was a mere speculation.  I thought all we needed was our SS# to serve as the de facto national ID? 
90 days is plenty of time to get my driver's license after mailing in the truck's registration...let's hope I don't procrastinate too late!
| elh3946 wrote: | I don't know where you got that information, but it's incorrect.
Yes, you do have to sign some paperwork and show ID in order to set up a PMB...that's a federal requirement and is something you'll have to do no matter which mail forwarding service you use and no matter which state. You will have to do this with a UPS Store too, so don't think you can get out of this requirement by using a UPS Store. |
Huh? It's just like you said. I got this from the person whom I called - you have to go in person to sign and show two types of ID before they will rent you a mailbox from UPS/MBE. No way to get out of this. I view it as a setback because I actually have to go up there to get a mailbox if I were to do this my own.
| elh3946 wrote: | | Since you are going to start fulltiming, you will need fulltimers insurance which has a liability portion like you'd get with homeowners insurance. "Regular" RV insurance doesn't provide this liability portion, so don't even think about skipping this very important insurance. You'll also have to find another insurance company because Allstate, as far as I know, does not offer fulltimers insurance. |
OK. Duly noted. Any recommendations? I was told to avoid chain places that advertise the hell out of their products i.e. Geico/State Farm. |
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F350
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As for wondering how they know, I guess you need to read the book 1984. Take that plastic card you use to get discounts at your favorite grocery store and ask yourself how that will affect your health insurance rates down the road.
Mike
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I don't believe it would be acceptable on a CCW license either. |
No kidding...if I were to wear a tin foil hat, it'd be not a fashion statement!
Oh, no...I completely forget about the CCW. I plan to get a Utah CCW because it's the best type of CCW out there (recognized in 31 states as of today).
Looks like I got no choice except to go with a mail forwarding company... |
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elh3946
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Location: Sioux Falls, SD
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| F350 wrote: | | Huh? It's just like you said. I got this from the person whom I called - you have to go in person to sign and show two types of ID before they will rent you a mailbox from UPS/MBE. |
Maybe the UPS Store has this requirement, but it is not a state or national requirement. As I stated, when we signed up with Alternative Resources in Sioux Falls, we did everything by mail...we didn't have to go to South Dakota in order to get our mail forwarding address. We did, of course, have to go there in person to get our driver's licenses and to register to vote.
You mentioned Americas Mailbox in Rapid City. If you go to their Registration Page, you see where you can download all the paperwork, complete it, and mail it to them in order to set up your mail forwarding address....so you don't have to go to SD in person in order to do this.
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